Latest technology to identify card counters
  • Interesting article here about new camera/computer systems some casinos are using to identify card counters. Had to laugh about one of the quotes in the article...that the new systems are used primarily to accurately 'rate and comp regular players'....yeah right....Cuzz
    http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,60049,00.html
  • Interesting article, Cuzz- Sidenote from within that story. I’ll bet the good, experienced pit bosses are really thrilled to death to learn that their managers think they spend 42% of their time giving inaccurate information.

    I’ll have to remember that the next time I need matches, drink holder, cocktail waitress, whatever…..ask “the machine” for them instead of the floor person. :wink:
  • Cuzz said:
    Interesting article here about new camera/computer systems some casinos are using to identify card counters. Had to laugh about one of the quotes in the article...that the new systems are used primarily to accurately 'rate and comp regular players'....yeah right....Cuzz
    http://www.wired.com/news/games/0,2101,60049,00.html


    The special invisible ink on the cards that allows the cameras to read them has to constitute marking the cards. Really hope the gaming commissions prohibit this.
    When Mohegan Sun instituted no mid-shoe entry, they sold it as being for the players' benefit -- don't want to mess up the order of the cards, interrupt play, etc -- and a lot of superstitious idiots fell for it. The real reason was to defeat counting teams and back-counters.
    There's also facial recognition software that looks for facial features of known counters when they're picked up on the cameras entering the casino. It knows how to ignore sunglasses and wigs.
  • I first saw this, when I played in the one million dollar tournament at the Las Vegas Hilton. I had a long talk with the dealer about it. They do not like it, as it points out Every mistake they make. What does it look like ? Look for a chip tray that is raised, but only by 1/4 inch or so. You have to look close to see it and there is not a lot to see. It however "see's" a lot. I do think it is quite expense to install.
  • I don't understand how this would work. There's only about 25 different "popular" card-counting methods and I'm sure some counters have their own created methods. How could the software determine which method a person is using at any given time? What if someone alternates counting techniques by shoe (Hi-Lo one shoe and KISS the other)?
    On the other hand, if it really does "accurately track comps" I wouldn't mind playing against it.
  • Yes, there are several different methods of play, But one thing they all have in common is....raise your bets when there are more big cards, than little cards. When you raise your bets, it can tell them what the count was at that time. They don't have to know which method you are using, just that you are using one. It tells them your average bet and even if you tip the dealer and how much. They can also see what you bet when the decks were negative and what you bet when the decks were positive. It prints out the stats on any or all players at the table, at the touch of a button, according to the dealer that I talked to.
  • Even though I'm not a counter, I agree with DD on this one. I'd hope the gaming commission steps in, too. Keep the software to accurately measure comps, but disable the card counting part of it.
  • Anybody- If you are spotted (by the eye in the sky) and are considered a card counter, will the casinos in L.V. escort you to the " big front door"? From what I understand about A.C. they cannot ask you to leave, however the dealer is instructed to deal with (1) deck so as to discourage you from playing in their casino. Any comments?
  • J C said:
    Anybody- If you are spotted (by the eye in the sky) and are considered a card counter, will the casinos in L.V. escort you to the " big front door"? From what I understand about A.C. they cannot ask you to leave, however the dealer is instructed to deal with (1) deck so as to discourage you from playing in their casino. Any comments?


    Doesn't single deck give the counters an even bigger edge?

    I think the old 'we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone' applies in the casino biz, too.
  • Buffarino said:
    [quote=J C]Anybody- If you are spotted (by the eye in the sky) and are considered a card counter, will the casinos in L.V. escort you to the " big front door"? From what I understand about A.C. they cannot ask you to leave, however the dealer is instructed to deal with (1) deck so as to discourage you from playing in their casino. Any comments?


    Doesn't single deck give the counters an even bigger edge?

    I think the old 'we reserve the right to refuse service to anyone' applies in the casino biz, too.[/quote]

    It's true AC cannot ban counters. If they think they've got a counter at the table, they reshuffle early. In a six deck shoe, that may be before two full decks have been played. In a single deck game, that would be after every hand. In Vegas they can declare counters trespassers.

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