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  • Where do I sit at the table if i'm a card counter any particular spot?
  • I prefer the middle of the table to make it easier to see all the cards. 3rd base can be problematic if you use many BS departures, as you will draw howls of displeasure if you hit a 12 vs 4, or even worse, split 10's. :)
  • I would never do that in my entire life..
  • split 10's? I would. I actually did 5 times on a single hand at one of the casinos diagonally across from the MGM last week. Never been allowed to split more than 3 times that I can recall, but the dealer just assumed, and I plunked down the big bet until I had 6 hands out. Of course I bailed immediately thereafter, but I was not planning on playing there anyway and only played due to family wanting to play...
  • Isn't that considered bad play? stainless check out the post I did before you posted this one...
  • SSR - Wow......What was your TC when you got those tens?.....and how many decks was the game?
  • This was an 8-decker game, with 3 decks left, running count of +35. It was insane.

    PJ: Splitting 10's can be a "tell". But anyone that knows me knows I don't play 8d shoes period. I was conned into it by family for a short session. What happened was this:

    I was spreading $5-$100. The TC was astronomical, and I had a $100 bet out, and got two face cards. I puzzled and had a pre-arranged signal for a family member to encourage me to split 10's should I ever give them this signal. I gave it, they said "split 'em, this is our last round anyway, what's to lose?" I got another 10, split again, got an A and stood on the first hand. When I drew to the second, I drew yet another 10 and the dealer didn't even ask, just moved the card down to the end of the line of hands, I plonked out another $100, and so it went. I never signaled split again, the dealer just "assumed" and I never made a correction since I had never had that opportunity with that ridiculous a count.

    Typically I would expect for the dealer to draw to a 21 in such a circumstance and kill me. :) But this time was better... :)

    MJB: by "bad play" I assume you mean either (a) a bad play according to pure BS, which it is, or (b) a bad play because it is a counter "tell" which it also is. However it is also (c) one of the more profitable high-count plays you can make if it doesn't get you backed off. :)
  • Mighty Joe Black Jack said:
    Where do I sit at the table if i'm a card counter any particular spot?


    If you're just beginning to count, I would actually recommend first base.
    I found that it is easier for me to concentrate on other people's cards after I have already finished making my move (for better or for worse). Otherwise, I have to keep count while mentally remembering what move I was planning to make. Especially early on, it is difficult not to be emotionally attached to the outcome of the upcoming hand (e.g., what will my double yield), and that screws the count. If you're already done with your hand, you remember what happened (so you update your count), and are then free to look at the rest of the action.
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  • slpgh said:
    [quote=Mighty Joe Black Jack]Where do I sit at the table if i'm a card counter any particular spot?


    If you're just beginning to count, I would actually recommend first base.
    I found that it is easier for me to concentrate on other people's cards after I have already finished making my move (for better or for worse). Otherwise, I have to keep count while mentally remembering what move I was planning to make. Especially early on, it is difficult not to be emotionally attached to the outcome of the upcoming hand (e.g., what will my double yield), and that screws the count. If you're already done with your hand, you remember what happened (so you update your count), and are then free to look at the rest of the action.[/quote]


    I agree 100%. Take first base if you are a beginner. I just got back from Las Vegas. It was my first time counting. I found it for me the easiest to sit at first base. After I got use to it I felt comfortable anywhere. I guess its all according to where YOU feel comfortable sitting. It was my friends first time counting and he seemed fine sitting in the middle.

    I personally perfer 1st base because I think that view of the table is the best... plus you dont have to look left and right.
  • Definitely sit at first base, for a number of reasons.

    1, the action goes to you first, you can get your stuff out of the way, and concentrate on the count for the rest of the hand.

    2, if the count is mediocre, say +4, and there are 3 other players at the table, you're more likely to get that Ace or Ten before the count goes back down.

    Trust me, sit at 1st base, best seat in the table, especially if you have a cute dealer :D
  • note that if the count is + something, you are _not_ more likely to get the extra ten. In fact, the dealer's hole card might be one of them... but the cards have to be considered "uniformly distributed" which means that _anybody_ at the table is equally probable to get the extra 10, until after you have completed your hand and didn't get it. Now their probability goes up a bit since you did not get one.

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