On the ABC network tonight Sept 15/03
  • http://abcnews.go.com/sections/primetime/US/MITgamblers030915.html

    I think it's at 8pm Eastern and Pacific, 7pm Central, but check your listings.
  • More info -- it's on ABC Primetime Monday, 8pm in the East but after the football game in the other time zones. Here in AZ it looks like it's on after 1am so I'll be taping it. Here's the full show listing:

    Monday, Sept. 15 — Watch a special Primetime from Las Vegas (8 p.m. ET; after football in the West):
    • Putting the sin back in Sin City — after years of marketing to families, Las Vegas is selling sex again. :shock:
    • Meet the MIT students who used their math skills to take the casinos for millions of dollars. 8)
    • Plus, top-rated women poker players, and an interview with Celine Dion.


    Make sure you don't miss the interview with Celine Dion. :lol:
  • Hey fellow Arizonan, how've ya been. Watching those Vegas specials on A&E always get me pumped to head that way.

    I'm embarking on a pheasant hunting journey this fall and will be staying at a casino...forget the name?...but it's in Osceola, Iowa and I hear they have 2.00 blackjack....my minimum bet is usually 5 bucks....should I stick with that or do the 2.00 so the game will last longer?

    The way I play is...I buy in with $100 and I don't walk away until I have lost my original 20 unit buy in. I keep everything won in a stack on the left, and have my buy in stack on the right. Any doubles, splits, or progressions have to come from the left pile. I don't know if it makes any damn sense, but its what I've been doing with moderate success.

    I have yet to visit a Phoenix bj table....unbelievable I know...as close as they are, I'm a whole lot more likely to profit not having to spend the tank of fuel to Vegas.
  • Ronman, if you're not prepared to double or split, walk away. For example, the most obvious (to me, anyway) is 88v6: it's a BIG loser if you don't split, but a big WINNER if you do.
  • Ronman- I believe the name of the casino is Lakeside Casino Resort. I am planning a very short trip to an Iowa casino, next month.
  • Mr. Ed said:
    Ronman, if you're not prepared to double or split, walk away. For example, the most obvious (to me, anyway) is 88v6: it's a BIG loser if you don't split, but a big WINNER if you do.


    Well, what's even more of a winner then that is your AA v 6 ... splitting wins 67% of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's 2 out of 3 hands!! How can you NOT split this?!

    Ronman, of course it's too bad that not all splits/doubles are not this easy, but you must not be afraid to put down more money when the situation favors you!

    About the special, I only caught the tail-end of it... but how did they rip casinos off MILLION? Just by card counting right? And how long did it take them to do this before getting stopped? Someone update please... they were really good @ math in order to do this? Like I said, only caught the very ending of it. :(
  • BuGhOu§eMASTER said:
    [quote=Mr. Ed]Ronman, if you're not prepared to double or split, walk away. For example, the most obvious (to me, anyway) is 88v6: it's a BIG loser if you don't split, but a big WINNER if you do.


    Well, what's even more of a winner then that is your AA v 6 ... splitting wins 67% of the time!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That's 2 out of 3 hands!! How can you NOT split this?!

    Ronman, of course it's too bad that not all splits/doubles are not this easy, but you must not be afraid to put down more money when the situation favors you!

    About the special, I only caught the tail-end of it... but how did they rip casinos off MILLION? Just by card counting right? And how long did it take them to do this before getting stopped? Someone update please... they were really good @ math in order to do this? Like I said, only caught the very ending of it. :([/quote]

    It took a few years, and it was several million. Well-financed from the start, playing the high roller tables, purple and yellow-black chips. And they did it just by counting --- NOT progression betting -- but one person betting minimum would be the counter and would signal the designated Big Player to join in when the count reached a certain level; he or she would then pass the number the count was at to the Player by a code word worked casually into conversation. (Hand signals would be caught on camera.) The TV segment was very light on detail. Try to get hold of the Ben Mezrich's book Bringing Down the House because that tells the full story. It gets funny when one team discovers there's another MIT team there as well. Or wait for the MGM/Kevin Spacey movie. I was wrong in predicting that the studios would never let this movie be made.
  • ronman5000 said:
    Hey fellow Arizonan, how've ya been. Watching those Vegas specials on A&E always get me pumped to head that way.

    I'm embarking on a pheasant hunting journey this fall and will be staying at a casino...forget the name?...but it's in Osceola, Iowa and I hear they have 2.00 blackjack....my minimum bet is usually 5 bucks....should I stick with that or do the 2.00 so the game will last longer?

    The way I play is...I buy in with $100 and I don't walk away until I have lost my original 20 unit buy in. I keep everything won in a stack on the left, and have my buy in stack on the right. Any doubles, splits, or progressions have to come from the left pile. I don't know if it makes any damn sense, but its what I've been doing with moderate success.

    I have yet to visit a Phoenix bj table....unbelievable I know...as close as they are, I'm a whole lot more likely to profit not having to spend the tank of fuel to Vegas.


    Ronman -- the gasoline for Phoenix to Las Vegas and return now costs the same or maybe even more than losing your total buy-in for one session. Here's my ratings on our local places:

    Casino Arizona at 101/McKellips has a lot of tables $5 and up, but all CSMs. :( Very attentive drink service and good music. :D

    Casino Arizona at 101/Indian Bend has even more tables, with about 1/4 of them shoes instead of CSM's but none of the shoe tables are less than $10 minimum and on many nights, they're only $15 or $25 and up. :? Giant TV screens, sort of a sports bar on steroids with gambling.

    Fort McDowell has mostly shoes, with ASM's, but that's probably the farthest away for you. I don't like some of the dealers there. :x Also their parking sucks and they often do promotional concerts and stuff that make getting in and out of there an ordeal. :evil:

    Gila River off I-10 / Maricopa Road just started blackjack, don't know what it's like. :?:

    I play completely differently from you. I keep my winnings in a stack on the right. It works very well. :wink:

    I can't say what you should do about playing $2.00 vs $5.00 in Iowa, but I'm guessing the crowd at that $2.00 table is going to look like the cantina scene in the first Star Wars movie.

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