Get Fred Renzey's book, "Blackjack Blue Book II" and read the chapter about cards exposed on the board. The number of "babies" sometimes determines if you should hit or stand.

Furthermore, try this on for size: You're sitting at a full table with other
players as so: To your left is a B/S player and at 3rd we have a CC.

-you have 4,4,8 and stand due to the fours( via hand composition)
-To your left is the basic player and he has 3,4,9 he hits because there
is a large number of 10's showing (via board counting)

- extreme left is the CC and he has 5,5 and doubles because, unknow to
the board counter or the hand comp player the index justifies DD on
10 vs 10.

Who made the mistake or for that matter is it possible that all three
players were correct?

What's new Alex?

Well, yes don't play at a full table, even if your a B/S player. There is no
advantage in losing at a slower pace. In the above example I needed a full table in-order have the possibility of enough 10's showing.

If your going to Wong in and out your options are very limited because
these are low limit tables. In that case, it is how you bet that makes a
difference even when you have 5 players(that's my cut-off). You
introduce the variance problem and in order to overcome same, you
must be consistent. At best you may get in 30 hands an hour and sometimes a fraction of that.

the answer is to learn to count cards. Just because you have a bunch of small cards, does not mean that there are now an abundance of big cards left to be dealt. Last round could have seen a bunch of big cards come out.

I agree that we shouldnt go on weeken sunday or any holiday peak hours


i win 3500 US in week days last weak than finally i go on satuaday where all the table are nearly full , finally i lost 1400 us on that day :?

i found all the players are not using our stragey , they always stand at 12-16 even the dealer got 7-A

also they will blame on you when u still hitting at 14-16 while finally the dealer not burst card ,

beyond14 said:

I agree that we shouldnt go on weeken sunday or any holiday peak hours


i win 3500 US in week days last weak than finally i go on satuaday where all the table are nearly full , finally i lost 1400 us on that day :?

i found all the players are not using our stragey , they always stand at 12-16 even the dealer got 7-A

also they will blame on you when u still hitting at 14-16 while finally the dealer not burst card ,

Tell them to scoot on over to the gift shop and buy a clue. In this case, clues come in the form of strategy cards. Of course, the most hardcore of blackjacks idiots will maintain that the cards cannot possible be correct. Surely the casino wouldn't see something that would help the player win.

so 16 is not a must hit card while dealer got 7-A

so how about 15 , in any case should not hit as well??


we should surrender 15 when dealer got 10
but should we always hit 15 if we cant surrender

For basic strategy players:

The first example 2,3,2,3,6 - Most of the time you should stand on this
hand because your five small cards and the mix of other player cards
will show an imbalance of small cards. (index for 16 vs 10=0)

But, if 4 other players have 20's(2cds) + the dealer 10, the imbalance is in
high cards and you should hit.

The 2nd example is a stand most of the time because of the four
and the probability that there is a small card imbalance as well. However,
if the imbalance is in high cards you should hit.

All of this is directed toward the limit of what a basic strategy player can
know. You must play with what knowledge is available to you. It's the
best that you can do. As you can see, nothing is always.................

I think this is getting mangled a bit.

16 vs 10 is one hand where the hit/stand decision point is a TC of zero, which means it is a close call. But 16 vs 9, 16 vs 8, 16 vs 7 and 16 vs A are not "stand at 0" hands, which means hit 'em period. Now if you are in a SD game, there are some composition-dependent BS plays that are different from normal BS. But the rest of this is getting too mangled to make sense.

For example, BS is to surrender 16 vs 9, 10 or A. But not against a 7 or 8. At higher counts, we also surrender 15 vs 9 or A (we surrender 15 vs 10 at TC=0 or higher). There are also indices for 14 vs 10, etc...

Best bet is to follow BS when there is no counting BS departure index for a play. Of course if you have a min bet out, you can play strangely without hurting your EV too much, for cover. But at + counts, with big bets out, no need to get cute. Play by the count, or if you don't count, play by BS.

just so you'll know:

16 vs
2 stand at -9
3 stand at -11
4 stand at -12
5 stand at -13
6 stand at -14
7 stand at 9
8 stand at 7
9 stand at 5
10 stand at 0
A stand at 8

There are a _bunch_ of indices for full hi-lo. :)

here's where I got lost:

if we hit 15 , dealer got 7- A , we must hit in all case


if we hit 16 , for four or more cards in that hand , then if the table have more big cards then small cards , then we have to stand even the dealer got 7-A

"if we hit 15, etc..." Hard to follow exactly what that means.

then

"if we hit ... then table has more big than small cards". that is the point where you would want to hit again, not stand, I would think. You would stand if there are lots of small cards on the table, assuming you are just doing table-composition and not counting...

Which left me mystified... and ... :)

so that involve card counting technique which some exception action should be do ,
so how about 16 vs 9 and 15 vs 10
the strategy tell us to surrend such cards in the beginning and loss half bet

Ray said:

beyond14- Just by looking at the cards that are in play you can improve
your chances quite a bit:

Here are some plays that include 16 vs 10 as well as 6 others:

12 vs 4 ...as many small cards as 10's......Hit
13 vs 2 ....5 more 10's as small................Hit
16 vs 10...equal/or greater number of 10's vs small............. Stand
9 vs 2 ....5 more small than 10's ...........Double
A7 vs 2 ....5 more small than 10's ...........Double
A8 vs 6 ....5 more small than 10's ...........Double
11 vs A ....6 more small than 10's ...........Double

You need to play 3rd base so as to view as many cards as possible.

The recommendations that SSR gave you learn to count or just play
basic strategy is just plain wrong

All of the above are B/S variations. Notice that four are doubles and we
all know if you are to have a winning session, you need to get and make
a few extra doubles............................

Most places don't offer surrender....if they do, use it...B/S=basic strategy

beyond14- We need to close out this question an answer session. I
suggest that you are in need of a good book on blackjack. My suggestion
is a book by Renzey, "Blackjack Bluebook II". Amazon.com is a good
source. Renzey will explain in greater detail every comment or suggestion
that I have made. His presentation is in a typical engineering style that
is easy to follow (makes a point...then explains the logic/whys, etc).

I hope you take this in good faith and don't think otherwise........Ray